The libraries include: nixies-us IN-1 IN-2 (RSH-27 … Continue reading "Eagle and KiCAD Libraries" (I still open Eagle from time to time to open old designs or export stuff…) I’ve used KiCad to design small (non-published) projects. So, one does not require to purchase any licence. and have 10s of designs. Diptrace is my favorite for hobby level stuff. It feels like it's about to break out. Try KiCad I went with 3, because I'm a neophile. I've been using Eagle for something like 5 years now, in the beginning I thought PCB design was just a complicated affair itself, but with time I've grown to think that Eagle is basically a shitty program. KiCad's been getting a lot of attention in the maker world lately. Related topics: Allegro, Altium, DipTrace, Eagle, KiCad, LibrePCB, OrCAD, PADS, Xpedition, Gerber, Footprint, STEP, Breadboard, Electronics, Engineer, Arduino, Raspberry, STM32, ESP32, MSP430, PSoC, AVR, ARM, RISC-V, Embedded, SPICE, LTspice, Simulation, Synth, Robot, DIY. The work CERN put into improving Kicad has paid off stunningly. An Electronic Design Automation (EDA) package is pretty much essential for any serious PCB work, and quite a lot of non-serious work too (which is where I come in). If there is a reasonable possibility that you want to work for such a company later, having experience with Altium would be much more attractive than KiCad or Eagle. [Eagle vs KiCad part 8] So, as I mentioned in the previous post, I’ve decided to change direction slightly. Post here in the comments, on google+ or in the forums! I hope they do, and that they write an article about the experience. Altium and KiCad both have been in the market for more than a decade and hence have gone through refinement and upgrades to become much better over time. I’ll go against the majority opinion here: I actually used all three packages, Altium professionally, KiCad and Eagle for hobby. That means I can rip it up and rebuild it many times in an evening. Looks like they are going to try implementing a project in both of the softwares to get a feel for the differences. EAGLE is now only available with a Fusion 360 subscription. A lot of times it holds me back in starting a new project. This allows users to pull in existing schematics to KiCad projects. Very cumbersome to propagate changes back and forth. Thanks! I’d stay with Eagle and avoid a switch. But apart from that, don't you hate the keyboard-mouse interface? There are some really great simple tutorials out there to get anyone up and running with it, quickly. If you don't really use these then definitely go for cs over altium! Altium is the choice to master if you want to design PCBs in industry. KiCad 5.1.9 Release Mon, Dec 28, 2020 Project Lead Developer Interview on Fedevel Academy Thu, Dec 17, 2020 KiCad's 2020 End of Year Fund Drive Wed, Dec 16, 2020 KiCad 5.1.8 Release Thu, Nov 5, 2020 kicad.org, the permanent internet home of KiCad Thu, Oct 29, 2020 I think I'm leaning towards KiCad myself as well. Only thing that sucks is the licensing model. People who used Orcad for 10 years, may think this is best. KiCad 5.1.9 Release Mon, Dec 28, 2020 Project Lead Developer Interview on Fedevel Academy Thu, Dec 17, 2020 KiCad's 2020 End of Year Fund Drive Wed, Dec 16, 2020 KiCad 5.1.8 Release Thu, Nov 5, 2020 kicad.org, the permanent internet home of KiCad Thu, Oct 29, 2020 Eeschema and pcbnew also supports EAGLE files. Eventually I found a program called Diptrace, found it much more user friendly and was able to just jump right in for the most part. Article Technical Rating: 7 out of 10 There are numerous software packages available for designing printed circuit boards (PCBs), too many in fact. KiCad overall sounds more useful, but on a mac it's not even an option unless your are ok with getting eye and hand cancer from KiCad's GUI. Upgrade to EAGLE 7 3. It’s fast, and it’s powerful. I've designed about a dozen of boards using it. )* file(s) and any version of Eagle lib(lbr) to KiCad sch/pcb and lib/mod files. Overall software is good for beginners and the biggest advantage is that this software is freely available. But still beats Altium’s cost. I've seen YT video but it's been decades since computers got powerful enough to handle PCB designing. It depends, where are you and what are you doing. If you're just a hobbyist or something, I couldn't recommend KiCad more. CircuitStudio is made by Altium and is essentially a cut down version with a simpler interface, at a much better price. It feels like it's about to break out. Your donation helps to build the KiCad community and ensures future feature development, supports bug fixes, community engagement and the growth of KiCad as the premier Open Source EDA … Had downloaded KiCad and Eagle... didn't know how the hell to start, everything looked quite confusing and even watching or reading tutorials everything still looked confusing. It includes 2 schematic sheets, 2 signal layers, and an 80cm 2 board area. might as well use pencil and paper. Moderators: adafruit_support_bill, adafruit 43 posts • Page 3 of 3 • 1, 2, 3. A lot of this depends on the complexity of your board layouts and if there are any plans in the future for other people (aside from the fab shop) to access or modify your files. But as someone that does UI/UX for a living I can't stand the UI of both of these programs. [8] Major Differences Between Fritzing Vs Eagle. EAGLE provides users with the option to create annotations and edits with backward/forward sync, which makes the change in both the board and schematic. That being said: I love the Open Source approach of KiCad which in the end is the reason for me to prefer it over Eagle. by easternstargeek on Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:48 pm . Re: Circuitmaker vs Eagle vs KiCad vs ?? KiCAD vs Eagle...Please help me get off the fence! If I need something real fast, I still go with Eagle as I am more familiar with it. Their new free version is clearly a ransomware: you need to get permission to use it … Try KiCad I went with 3, because I'm a neophile. I've used Eagle since 2005, but KiCad is getting so good that there's no reason not to switch. Can you explain why you like it? For larger companies with engineering teams, I have only seen the use of Cadence (Allegro/Orcad), Mentor Graphics (PADS/Xpedition), and Altium. What actual advantages you'd see in using Altium over KiCad? orcad? Eagle and KiCAD Nixie Libraries I’ve uploaded Eagle and KiCAD libraries for nixie tubes and some useful components to my GitHub page. Although there are some common features between the two, a designer will find that the workflow in both can be very different, even due to minor differences in navigation, library arrangement, placement of tools in the user interface and other such things. KiCAD is available for Windows, OSX and Linux – in binary and source code. 2 thoughts on “ PCB design: Eagle vs KiCad – the verdict ” Cemal Draman 22/11/2018 at 14:38. This. Eagle's an un-intuitive GUI, pain in the butt, IMO. Yep, it's built right in. It took a little bit to learn some of the nuances of KiCAD, but overall, it’s a great EDA tool. Using Eagle Footprints in KiCad. Hi, I am a user of the free version of Eagle, for 5 years now. Your donation helps to build the KiCad community and ensures future feature development, supports bug fixes, community engagement and the growth of KiCad as the premier Open Source EDA solution. Or the fact that when connecting things in either schematic or board mode, the programs doesn't really give you a confirmation of a successful connection. KiCAD 2. The reasons are two-fold: first, the HexMonitor board is sufficiently complex that I figured it had no chance of working, this being... Read more » My gut tells me that if you have been going along okay with Eagle, then choosing KiCad and saving yourself some money would be the best route. 38:58. Seriously. Hiya, folks-I’ve been looking at Eagle and KiCAD, trying to decide which one is worth the investment of my time. Yeh, tough question, I know. Kicad seems buggy and not intuitive to me. If this is "for work" ie: someone else is paying for it or write off, and you have to hand off files to CMs or for profit companies, Altium. If you're familiar with Eagle, it can be scary to think all the time spent creating footprints will be lost when switching to KiCad. KiCad’s PCB … KiCad is a great option too. Cookies help us deliver our Services. [Eagle vs KiCad part 1] There’s a tough decision awaiting anyone who, like me, is about to get into designing their own printed circuit boards (PCBs) – what software to use. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the PrintedCircuitBoard community, Continue browsing in r/PrintedCircuitBoard, Official subreddit for review / layout / manufacture of Printed Circuit Boards (PCB), including schematic capture, assembly, soldering. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. [Eagle vs KiCad part 2] Okay, so it’s time to start on the road of deciding whether I want to design PCBs in Eagle or KiCad. Perhaps the main difference in these two is that one is a free application, while the other is paid. « Reply #67 on: April 15, 2018, 08:56:24 pm » Yes work places like standards and despite MS office offering to use open document formats it still warns you you could loose data if you save a new file with them and encourages you to use MS formats KiCAD vs Eagle...Please help me get off the fence! KiCad's been getting a lot of attention in the maker world lately. It does not have any limitations like limited size of the board and single sheet per project like in the Free Version of Eagle. I prefer Eagle because there is a larger community around it. So, I had to switch. My only regret is losing the custom parts libraries I've already built, but I think there is a way to migrate eagle parts over. Sorry for the rant, but I really have a hard time imagining how can one REALLY like Eagle. ok, cool, yeah that's what I thought, let go to KiCad, anything goes south, can still go back to Eagle for a project or two. yaaay! [Eagle vs KiCad part 1] There’s a tough decision awaiting anyone who, like me, is about to get into designing their own printed circuit boards (PCBs) – what software to use. Besides working "in the industry", where I guess it'd mostly be for file format exchange purposes. Main Differences Between KiCad Vs Eagle Here the main differences between KiCad and EAGLE have been highlighted. I have to assume paid software with actual customers to keep happy would be friendlier to use. KiCAD is better if you are interested in a non-licence type software. It's pretty good for spinning 2-layer boards once you get used to the workflow. There have been a few articles about KiCAD vs Cadsoft’s Eagle CAD and I hope soon to write my own comparison and also reference these other articles: « Reply #23 on: August 30, 2016, 06:51:32 pm » I haven't done any board layouts for a while, but I found Diptrace very easy to get used to. Lots and lots of people are saying nice things about it. KiCad is impressive, but I can't really justify switching to it until they have the ability to save and paste in circuit snippets. An Electronic Design Automation (EDA) package is pretty much essential for any serious PCB work, and quite a lot of non-serious work too (which is where I come in). I just started with KiCad and managed to go from "never used any EDA software before ever" to submitting a board to OSHPark in about a dozen hours including creating a new symbol for a dual primary+dual secondary transformer and corresponding footprint for the Tenma part. KiCad seminar KiCAD is a free & open-source software suite for EDA. Downloads for KiCad on Windows 8.1 and 10 Donate before January 15 to support KiCad EDA development and KiCad Services Corporation will match your contribution dollar for dollar up to $10,000 total.. I've used KiCad for a while, but never used Eagle. KiCAD is a Cross-Platform and Open Source Electronics Design Automation Suite. And I kind of liked Kicad. I’ll go against the majority opinion here: I actually used all three packages, Altium professionally, KiCad and Eagle for hobby. Lots and lots of people are saying nice things about it. KiCad allows you to own your technology. Otherwise I try to use KiCAD more. Been using kicad on Mac without issues. uhhmmmm, just saw a demo, must say I love the autoplace feature! Our WIKI is located at https://www.reddit.com/r/PrintedCircuitBoard/wiki/index, Press J to jump to the feed. eapbg #34 Introduction to KiCad from an Eagle users perspective Part 1: Schematic capture and Symbol - Duration: 38:58. eapbg 2,538 views. The schematic- and board editors of Eagle are currently more powerful (LibrePCB does not yet support hierarchical sheets, 3D view and more) LibrePCB vs. KiCad. Please enable Javascript and refresh the page to continue thanks! And actually, if a symbol part doesn't have the pins aligned on a 100mil grid, it will NEVER connect. I've designed a few boards on KiCad OS X and haven't had any particularly bad issues with it. Once you switch to OpenGL mode it's great! I actually made this decision two nights ago. Can’t comment on the commercial version of Eagle, but Kicad 4.0.3 was worlds better than any version of Eagle I’ve ever used. EasternStarGeek writes… Note that many are re-usable for other tubes as they use the same sockets and pin-outs – see my adapters page for links to more information. KiCad has a much easier learning curve. [Eagle vs KiCad part 5] Having got as far as a complete schematic for my HexMonitor project with Eagle, it’s time to try the same thing with KiCad.. And just as I did with Eagle, my plan is to design my HexMonitor project that takes signals from one eight-bit and one 16-bit bus and display their values on a four-digit, seven-segment display, all through the magic of shift registers. More information about Eagle is available on the product page. Orcad is stone aged, most companies are forced to stick with it, as their designs are made in Orcad and its hard to switch. Re: KiCAD vs Eagle...Please help me get off the … Yes, this is a pain every time I start a new project. Even the 3D modeling and SPICE simulation is great. But still beats Altium’s cost. That being said, there are three PCB design packages that tend to be the most popular and considered the best: Altium Designer, Eagle, and OrCad. So yeah, I'd love to transition to another cad program, I've been thinking about Altium Designer and KiCad. Hi both Kicad and eagle are good but in the freeware eagle is given only 80cm2 area i think this is very small pcb size. Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window) Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window) Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window) ... It’s been a busy few months. Altium can also import / open Eagle files and seems to do a decent job at it. If this is for a hobby or your own products, you might give KiCad a try. There are no features of altium I really miss- polygon pour manager is not in cs, the PDF outputs are a bit lacking and there is no copy rooms feature. Quick Introduction Video Recommended video player Firefox 81.0+ with VLC video player plugin. It's just too much of a time saver for me not to have it. Eagle is available for Windows, Linux, and Mac. EAGLE has a great open XML format. It does not have any limitations like limited size of the board and single sheet per project like in the Free Version of Eagle. But STILL I do not like Eagle. Very glad to hear there's some compatibility, thanks for the feedback! I appreciate what this software can do. Holy crap, though. Library management with LibrePCB is much easier: Easy-to-use library manager to install and update libraries – … And for other reasons, I found KiCad’s Eeschema marginally easier to use. Any cad program will have a learning curve. Of course, if i could afford Altium I would use it, but KiCad is the best free and open-source EDA available. I was using altium at my previous job and when I became self employed I switched to circuitstudio. I guess I'm too late but if I were you I would have given a try to EasyEDA. 2. The schematic- and board editors of Eagle are currently more powerful (LibrePCB does not yet support hierarchical sheets, 3D view and more) LibrePCB vs. KiCad. Eagle's an un-intuitive GUI, pain in the butt, IMO. It’s open and it has none of the restrictions of the free version of Eagle (and... Read more » Hence, here we have done an in-depth comparison between KiCad vs Altium Designer. KiCad lacks an efficient way to keep schematic and layout in sync. KiCAD has pretty much been the exclusive EDA tool I use for home projects and have even used it professionally. When was the last time anyone used vellum and tape to design a PCB? Or if you're not using a 100mil grid. Converting from Eagle to KiCad. Preferred Kicad to Eagle pretty much instantly, without consideration of the price. uhm, ok, I see, back-annotation is important, of course! What in particular makes Altium better from this perspective? It's so obvious that it's free open source software with tons of small visual bugs and UI quirks and odd glitches. Altium would be better but can't have everything. I like Eagle best from a usability and efficiency point of view. Easy learning curve. Eagle’s modal tool selection in the schematic editor drives me nuts. KiCad lacks an efficient way to keep schematic and layout in sync. I still feel it is best to learn on a Eagle, Diptrace, or KiCad class tool before moving on to Altium, Mentor, or similar. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://mansfield-devine.com/speculatrix/2017/12/pcb-design-first-steps-with-eagle/. Right now, KiCAD is coming out ahead, despite the tremendous popularity of Eagle. It's much better to learn Eagle by not designing your own board but by doing tutorials and focusing on the process and how schematic, layout, and manufacturing files are linked. I mean, once I found out it stuck and now I do it automatically. (And when I get it back in 3 weeks, we'll see how I did!) Altium is basically the gold standard because it has a lot of tools to help with high speed design and other specific needs, but … The following 5 ulp (eagle user script file) and one ulp include file, work together or stand alone to convert Eagle sch/pcb version 6.xx*(7.xx-8.xx maybe? Well KiCad is open source and supported by CERN so it'll only get better. It's already been pushing CadSoft to react, as with the move to the open XML file format in v6. [8] Major Differences Between Fritzing Vs Eagle. I’ve already talked about this a little, but here’s where I’m at. But that's not what I'm worried about. But holy shit WHY? Orcad. These two programs have a lot of differences, especially since one is a paid package and the other is free of cost. If you are new with KiCAD, tutorials are also given in PDF format in many languages and also video tutorials are also available on their website. Hope to hear some interesting insight! Library management with LibrePCB is much easier: Easy-to-use library manager to install and update libraries – … KiCad inherently reads Eagle footprints! I don't even think of it as "settling" for KiCad, I prefer it in many respects to Eagle. Only thing that sucks is the licensing model. I usually don't need to hand files over to anyone, just CAMs for fabbing, it's for my own products. BONUS: It's a means to an end, it beats vellum and tape. Reply. I'd use the new chosen cad to draw new schematics and PCBs, so I wouldn't mind a lack of compatibility in either schematic or board files, but the parts, oh geez, they're a pain in the ass! I'm going over to KiCad. Well KiCad is open source and supported by CERN so it'll only get better. KiCAD is better if you are interested in a non-licence type software. Re Kicad vs Eagle, Andrew Lynch often spends a week in the optimiser running Kicad, and with Eagle I do the same board in about 10 minutes. Rather than continuing with the HexMonitor project to a completed and fabbed board, I’m going with a slightly simpler project. You can get better equipped package for same or lower cost than Altium licene, not to mention that it sticks to the GUI conventions of the three major players (Zucken, Mentor, Cadence). Really? 2. KiCAD. See updated tutorial here!. Eagle is cheap (free for students) if you want a good all around paid tool. I've been using KiCad for a few years now and absolutely love it. There’s an interesting topic with great replies in our forums (and on the oshw list), “KiCAD vs Eagle” – post up which tool your prefer, why and list specific features. Overcomplicated, lots of hidden things, things you'd expect to work in a certain way and they just don't, completely counterintuitive interface, I can go on and on, I know I'm not alone there. I like Eagle best from a usability and efficiency point of view. Upgrade to EAGLE 7 3. I, too, tried out Eagle when I first began designing boards and wasn't a fan. It was surprisingly easy to switch. These two programs have a lot of differences, especially since one is a paid package and the other is free of cost. But in the coffee roaster project I’m hired to work on, they use Kicad. Autodesk not so much. Kicad is a free open-source software that is developed by volunteers. Would recommend you try it first before forking out the full whack for Altium. Apart from schematics captures and … you too, like user m37driver, say "Altium for the industry, KiCad for the hobby", why is that? Don't quote me on that though. Zuken seems fairly large overseas, but has very little presence domestically. KiCad is the first EDA I've learned to use. Please be positive and constructive with your questions and comments. Sort of the GCC of the EDA tool world. Kicad is free and also have a 3D viewer option this is great and Kicad … Circuit, tools and component questions should be posted in /r/askelectronics, Press J to jump to the feed. My natural inclination is towards KiCad. Sort of the GCC of the EDA tool world. I'd like to hear your opinions about the two, why you love them, why you hate them, something about the learning curve steepness, and of course, if you transitioned from Eagle to one of these two, I really want to hear what do you think! Comparación de cuatro herramientas para elaboración de circuitos impresos, con una breve introducción a EasyEDA. Good free demo and inexpensive pay versions if you want to upgrade. Let alone the price, KiCad is free (and open-source, which I really appreciate), Altium is not. I used both, with KiCad as the most recent favourite. I am still in transition to KiCAD. For a while now the layout engine of KiCAD has been more powerful than similar layout engines of some commercial EDA suites. KiCad is probably the best free tool and is capable, but I don't see a lot of companies using it. Article Technical Rating: 7 out of 10 There are numerous software packages available for designing printed circuit boards (PCBs), too many in fact. Although most of the keys are quite intuitive in KiCad it still takes some time to discover them all… I haven’t had that much updates lately but I’m using KiCad now as my main EDA tool. Eagle is the best in that respect, it has a real-time, very tight connection between the two. Cyberspice says: October 2, 2012 at 3:14 pm. Re: Circuitmaker vs Eagle vs KiCad vs ?? BONUS: is anybody out there who's using Eagle and is loving it? This article is an in-depth comparison of two widely used EDA (Electronic Design Automation) programs, KiCad vs OrCAD PCB Designer You can find all the details about their features, performance, pricing, design experience and more.. PCB designing is rapidly growing as an industry and a field of design engineering. It's already been pushing CadSoft to react, as with the move to the open XML file format in v6. That being said, there are three PCB design packages that tend to be the most popular and considered the best: Altium Designer, Eagle, and OrCad. Still an upgrade over Eagle in feature set, uses all the Altium libraries, an easy to transfer up to Altium if you need to. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. We have listed below, the 7 main differences between Fritzing vs. Eagle. He’s a Kicad user. [8] Major Differences Between EasyEDA Vs KiCad. We have listed below, the 7 main differences between Fritzing vs. Eagle. yeah sure, a learning curve is expected anywhere, I was just wondering which one had the soapiest ;) Like Eagle has a fucking wall. KiCAD can import pretty much everything from Eagle so your custom libraries should transfer along with your work. Eagle is a commercial software owned by Autodesk. There is a big amount of lobraroes in the internet and already in eagle it self. What bugs me the most, is the extremely cumbersome way of creating/adding/managing footprints and symbols. I've posted the second part now: https://mansfield-devine.com/speculatrix/2017/12/pcb-design-first-steps-with-eagle/, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the electronics community, A subreddit dedicated to news, articles and general discussions related to electronic systems and circuits. I'll do some tests with library migration, hope soon, maybe I'll report here! Now don't get too excited. Don't fear! I have been a long time Eagle user. Also, I'm not very hopeful here, but who knows, are any of the Eagle library files compatible with either Altium or KiCad? never used KiCad but we are using eagle at work and i'am pretty happy with it. Donate before January 15 to support KiCad EDA development and KiCad Services Corporation will match your contribution dollar for dollar up to $10,000 total.. Curious to hear why you'd say Altium for the pros, KiCad for the hobbyist. 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